End of the consultation period on Wednesday. Good luck everyoneDo you think our partners should offer to take a pay cut this year as they have steered this once top tier company into the muck?

Will they publicise who's out? Noticed they've removed the leaving dates of people who have left from EIS.

I dont see any reason why we should publicise the names. Lets leave the decision to those who are leaving - Plain and simple.

Colleagues might wish to say farewell to colleagues, or colleagues might want to know what has happened to colleagues? Rather than people dissappearing into thin air. As I discovered on two separate ocassions this year with overseas colleagues. Why the secrecy? It's all above board, is it not? All red face tests have been passed? Unless someone expressly requests to be omitted, why suppress the truth?

As Ali G would say, PA-er, "Aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!"Lets leave the sh*t to quietly float off into the Thames Estuary.Now is the time for the company to be reborn. Whatch out Mckinseys!!!

These posts just show the worst site of this site - pointless gossiping. Why on earth would I need to see the names of those who have left? And why should my name be given to everyone? Those who I count as friends I will know about because they will tell me. How can we get this site back to talking about important things and being a good place to go for advice?

"How can we get this site back to talking about important things and being a good place to go for advice?"Probably best to substitute "this site" with "PA". Two birds with one stone, then. Perhaps start with not being disingenous with your employees and see where that gets you. Happy days.

Shoot the messenger - genius piece of comedy writing. And thanks for your insight.

Almost as insightful as the industry insight on the PA external website talking about fairness in dealing with employees in the downturnDo as I say, not as I do

Shoot the messenger - my governing thought is that you smell and so you must be wrong. Now yield to my superior arguments and let us hear no more of this loose talk.

Meeting called at 4pm today to tell us all the good news. Even Surrallan would be ashamed at the poor way this whole communications process has been handled

Is that a BOP meeting or PA meeting? Haven't heard from our guys

...and?

Three down in BOP – just waiting on the phone call today from the lead BOP partner.Will post up more details at the end of the day.

BOPer said: "Will post up more details at the end of the day. "oops! It seems he was escorted out of 123 without the chance of posting more details.Go to an internet cabin and let us know!

So after all the "PA is finished" build up from BOPer over the last few weeks, 3 people get made redundant from one of the worst performing practices. That's similar to those who'd leave anyway under the performance system.Can't beat a bit of overreaction. If BOPer hasn't been sacked, can he or she please resign and spare us all?

Can you not understand that if the PA recruitment process leads to a large percent of the work force being "incompetent" that itself says a lot about PA.Or of course they aren't really incompetent but just unfortunate to find themselves on the bench at the wrong time, and nit sucking up to partners. Say they have legitimately got rid of all the under performers this time, and aren't recruiting. Have you worked out yet that next year that means they have to find under performers to sack from people they've said are above the bar this year.First they came for people in BOP and I said nothing, then they came for..."

Whoops, obviously meant "Not" because of course junior staff in PA don't spend copious amount s of time grooming the silverbacks for nits.Or do they?

NB. That is 3 from one of the worst performing and SMALLEST practices. Don't underreact just yet.

It won't be pleasant I'm sure, after all, that's the "PA Way".

Mr Overreaction said "So after all the "PA is finished" build up from BOPer over the last few weeks, 3 people get made redundant from one of the worst performing practices. That's similar to those who'd leave anyway under the performance system. "You are obviously not in BOP if you can post such drivel. There have been a whole deluge of PIPs issued over the past month, and a number of written warnings given around utilisation which is a real cheek as the only way staff can be utilised is if our lazy partners sell work.

"a number of written warnings given around utilisation..."Unbelievable and completely contrary to natural justice! No-one deliberately puts themselves on the bench, people can only be utilised when there is work for them to do and the partners are largely responsible for ensuring this. Giving warnings for low utilisation is like spitting in a strong wind, it will end up landing back on them and making them look ugly and ridiculous.

Ugly and ridiculous, maybe. Considerably richer than you, definitely. No coincidence.

What's happened to BOPper?

The secret to gaining and maintaining utilisation is to network effectively internally. You can't just sit in your practice day after day asking your resource manager if the practice partners have sold any work that day.Very few of the jobs I worked on at PA came out of my own practice and I always managed to keep myself busy (with not a single public sector process map in all the time I was there!).If you're good you'll be busy, if not, you won't!

"If you're good you'll be busy, if not, you won't!"If you're good, you won't work for a failing second tier consulting company like PA

yawn!

"yawn"very adult and helpfulPA Consulting is in the doldrums, staff are losing their jobs and facing pay cuts and you dismiss it as boringTw*t

The "yawn" comment was addressed to the previous poster, who had taken the opportunity to make another oh so funny and unpredictable remark about PA, you tw*t!I'm so glad I'm out of MC now given the level of muppetry and general unpleasantness on this forum. Let's just hope none of your potential clients take an interest in reading any of the posts.

Aaah!!What a lovely warm caring organisation PA Consulting is, and how clever and witty their staff are.Good to see that things have obviously gone to pot since I left there about 2 years ago. I was never hugely impressed by the caliber of staff there - lots of people who graduated from some poly 10 years earlier and have worked on public sector jobs since.

I was told even before I joined them that it was a deeply unpleasant and unhappy place to be but silly me I ignored it and thought it was all hyperbole.....and how wrong I was! PA is a truly revolting place to work.

Yep, success at PA doesn't depend on how good you are but on if your face fits, and generally that means having gone there straight from university and toadying your way up. Just how caring are they? Well when the tube bombs went off the MC tutors on the internal training course I was on in 123 decided it was best not to tell us because it might have disrupted the course. They had, of course already been able to tell their families they were OK

"Yep, success at PA doesn't depend on how good you are but on if your face fits, and generally that means having gone there straight from university and toadying your way up."That's complete rubbish and you know it. Direct entry grads are very much in the minority within PA. In the 3 years I was there I didn't once work with anyone straight out of Uni, and I certainly never met an MC or Partner who had only ever worked for PA?!!It's fine to give reasons as to why you didn't like PA, I know I have mine, but don't start making stuff up!

That's true, a lot of the MCs and partners had left PA for proper jobs in the outside world and then came scurrying back at a higher grade. On the other hand those who came in with experience wholly outside of PA rarely stayed long.

To those who have left PA and continue to go on about how bad they thought it was - thank you for leaving.To those who are still in PA and continue to go on about how bad they think it is - please leave.To Top Consultant - you need to be making sure only grown ups can post on your forum. I thought this site was for professional people. Clearly not. It is for whingers mainly.

To those who have left PA and continue to go on about how bad they thought it was - thank you for leaving.To those who are still in PA and continue to go on about how bad they think it is - please leave.To Top Consultant - you need to be making sure only grown ups can post on your forum. I thought this site was for professional people. Clearly not. It is for whingers mainly.

"I certainly never met an MC or Partner who had only ever worked for PA?!!"I can think of one, can't you? And what can you expect from someone who knows nothing but one firm.

Back on topic it seems as if the redundancies are well below the scaremongering levels put on here. Indeed our friend BOPer would appear to be talking out of his or her backside. Yeah yeah, it's all being done on the hush hush, it can be the only explanation. And isn't it fantastic that some people don't/ didn't like working there and are sad enough to come on here and change the topic every time anything remotely PA comes up, one would think they wouldn't be scouring MC forums if they're all in bigger, better jobs as they all claim. Also, there seems a remarkable amount of them have the same writing style too - funny that.

Back on topic of the redundancies - they have been handled appallingly by the company, and the post above shows just what contempt that management have for us.If you treat staff like crap, then you can't be surprised when they post on external websites about it

Yes - I too noticed that there was a serial apologist posting on here. Rubbish writing style as well - this Smithers would never make it as a copywriter. I hope he's not getting paid to do this.There's at least four different writing styles on here anyway. Wouldn't make it as an editor either.

" it seems as if the redundancies are well below the scaremongering levels put on here."If the company has ended up making less than the 6% that it announced it was doing then that is good. But until the company announces something different then thems the facts. I'm sure that must be the case as nobody has left for months according to the internal information. Looking forward to the good news email confirming all this.

PA will emerge stronger and better than all the other consultancies put together after this recession. We are a world beating brand.

There is no doubt that PA will emerge stronger but think the previous poster has been on the gin!Does anyone know anything about the all staff meeting called for Sept 7?

I thought he was being ironic.PA might be stronger after the blood letting, but the question is where will they be compared to the competition? Have they handled the downturn better or worse than competitors and where does it place them to exploit the upturn when it comes?I guess BP must be insulating them from the worst of the recession.

PA is one of the strongest companies there is. they have excellent leadership that will successfully guide the company in the right direction. PA excels in all that it does.

I am sure the meeting on the 7th is to tell us all that pay rises and promotions are on the table for everybody, and that we are never going to do any public sector work ever again.The good times are back

It's the laser-like, unremitting external focus that makes us the company we are today.

The way the redundancies were handled was a disgrace; p### up & brewery spring to mind!! Don't care about employees, just a number on a balance sheet. Hope the partners enjoy the bonus we have earned them this year!!

Is that why when you look at any Pa'ers Linkedin profile their only contacts are other PA people?

Unlike ACN, Deloitte, PwC, etc.Yawn.

Is that why when you look at any Pa'ers Linkedin profile their only contacts are other PA people?

That's sooo not true. I'm linked to my mum and the guy with one eye at the Esso station