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CapGemini

 
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Johnno
05.03.9 00:00
 
What is CG consulting like? Salary for SC?
 
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Olivier
06.03.9 00:00
 
Capgemini is well known not to pay well. I worked for them a few years ago in France, so I know. I thought things would be different in London but when I met with them last October it was the same music. They always try to find an excuse not to recruit you as your true value/grade (e.g. if you are manager they will make tou an offer as senior consultant).I just walked away.
 
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Jo
06.03.9 00:00
 
I had simular experience in Netherlands. I was invited for an interview at manager level. I went through 2 rounds of interviews and then they offered me a job at SC level and 30k€ below my current salary.........I was shocked.........I still am.......:-/
 
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Curious case of GWB
09.03.9 00:00
 
guys,your stories are not unique: most global consultancies ( ACN, IBM, CG, PWC etc) simply leverage their brand names to offer low-ball salaries. They know that , with their global brand names, there are 100 equally qualified ppl waiting in line ...you are not the only one. Unfortunately, ( with exception of MBBB and other specific consultancies), most are also like this: the main cost driver for consultancies is employees salary, and they will do what it takes to minimize this cost.Thus the golden rule: early on in your career, dont worry about salary, focus on learning and brand name ( which will - blindly- open lots of doors in the future ( it just will)).Later on in your career, focus more on job satisfaction, and also salary ( as you will have mortgage, family etc).
 
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wokingbrum
10.03.9 00:00
 
i worked as a senior consultant and since leaving 2 .5 years ago I have been promoted twice and doubled my package with another Top 4. Another downside is that they tend to grow their practices very quickly and them find when a large project ends eg HMRC they have a lot of people on the benchAs an Employee they are first class. It is not reflected in your pay but the training and the team working was brilliant. The Head of Practices when I was there were top drawer
 
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Anon
12.03.9 00:00
 
I would never work for them again. You should also spell it Capgemini (without the G) as they are pedants that spend more time nudging around bullet points rather than delivering for clients. If you like low paid, low calibre pretend consulting in the public sector than this is the place for you. The brand is not strong either.
 
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Anon
12.03.9 00:00
 
I disagree. I left there recently for more well known firm and miss the culture at Cap plus the type of work they are now winning sounds exciting.
 
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Freeeeeee
13.03.9 00:00
 
I still remember with glee the day I interviewed with the "head" of FS at CG. I had recently closed a $1M deal at my then employer and took great delight in declining CG's invitation to return for a second interview. While I was freestyling my way to promotion and 40K bonuses at my then employer (I was 26 at the time), all CG wanted to talk about was the multi matrix process they had for evaluating opportunities. I saw the real opp and left the building. Did five years at the same place, then 3 at a start-up which paid for a 3 year sabbatical, and then started my own firm.
 
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anonym
14.03.9 00:00
 
Good boy Freeeeeee.But yes I agree, CG sucks big time. I interviewed there a couple of years ago when I was a fresh graduate. It was a second round interview with 10 of us. They started with the salary on offer and it turned out to be completely below my expectations for a consulting firm (I already had a higher offer from a non-consulting firm but wanted to get into consulting). To make things worse, the salary offer was followed by a very dull overview of what fresh graduates will be doing in the next couple of years. Sounded like lots of shadowing with no real responsibilities working on some dull public sector project in the middle of nowhere. Why on earth did they make the picture look so gloomy?? Still to this day I don't know the answer.Anyway, I wanted to leave there and then but thought lets go through the rest of the day, it might be a good practice for any upcoming interviews. After the group exercises, I was interviewed by one of their practice leads who ended up getting mixing up some stuff as he was asking questions not in specialty. I felt quite embarrased for him :)Anyway to cut a long story short, I ended up with another consultancy getting paid almost twice as much as CG offered initially. And the work was definitely much more interesting that the picture CG had painted.Oh and just for the record, I got rejected by CG. No hard feelings for this. I was completely unenthusiastic about joining them after they revealed what's on offer and it must have showed very clearly in the way I behaved in the group exercises and the interviews.
 
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rocky
16.03.9 00:00
 
huh? Capgemini is the best consulting company in the UK as far as I am aware. I feel sorry for the other consultancy that took you on board. They must have regretted it by now.
 
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lucky1
16.03.9 00:00
 
Long live Cr*pgemini.. Any challengers?
 
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Big Consultant
17.03.9 00:00
 
anonym, you said that as a fresh graduate you got a job offerring twice what CapG was offerring 2 years ago at graduate level.CapG was paying £32.5K to fresh graduates 2 years ago. So you are saying you got a job that paid you £65K or even £50 (lets imagine my maths is horrible) as a fresh graduate?Continue deceiving yourself, utter crap claims.
 
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A@B.com
17.03.9 00:00
 
With all respect Big Consultant I think that's utter non-sense. Their offer in 2006 was £21.5K for graduate joiners if I remember correctly.
 
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fred
17.03.9 00:00
 
Another expert on the field... The IT specialist in CG gets 26500 with an entry of 3 C A levels, how on earth is the management consultant (2A 1B minimum) going to be earning less.
 
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Big Consultant
17.03.9 00:00
 
Oh , sorry!It appears anoynm and A@B.com are IT Consultants then.My figures were for the Management Consultants graduates but that said, IT Consultants were being paid £24.1 in 2006 on the graduate scheme, should be more by now as fred has indicated.
 
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Anon
15.06.9 00:00
 
Back to the matter at hand. CG is a pretty poor consulting outfit. The calibre is very low and hence the type of consulting work they won is also atthe lower end. I have worked there so can speak from experience. They body shop out PMO roles to graduates and call this consulting. Their business model is closer to that of a large scale temping firm than it is consulting. If you have the choice to go to any other firm then do it. Only go to CG as a last choice. sorry to be negative but i do not see how they can progress anyones career.
 
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anan
17.06.9 00:00
 
Any company you join after CG will be a positive move. If you want to perform a daredvil act, go or it.
 
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Onan
18.06.9 00:00
 
"Any company you join after CG will be a positive move. If you want to perform a daredvil act, go or it."Any spulling emprovements you make after posting on here will be an improvement. eF U want 2 purform like a twit, go fur it.CG have a policy of only employing staff who are reasonably literate and coherent
 
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Anon
24.06.9 00:00
 
Enjoy doing B's and C's in the public sector!!
 
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baykus
24.06.9 00:00
 
I had a similar experience interviewing with capgemini. I was a fresh-ish graduate looking to get into IT consulting, and I got interviews with a bunch of the big firms. CG has been the only company so far that I walked away from simply due to the interview.The interviewer was late, which I could understand. Except, once he did arrive, he made me wait for another 15 minutes while he was happily texting away. The best way to put his approach was that he was rude, and I think it was the fact that I had a PhD that set him off. He referred several times to the fact that he had considered doing a phd but decided against it "because it's useless".I mentioned that I have a decent knowledge of C in answer to one of his questions, at which point I must admit his attitude completely changed. I assume he must have felt we now connected.The final joke I guess was the starting salary, and the fact that I already had much better offers. It was a waste of a day that could have been avoided had they advertised their starting salaries as many other graduate programs do. After that interview, they would have had to offer me a good £10k better than the competition for me to even think about it.
 
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Anon
06.07.9 00:00
 
The type of consulting work that they do is very poor. All the good people have left or are looking to leave. They are a joke in industry. The clients they have been to are challenging how good they are and the content. They have poor methodologies and thought leadership is a joke.
 
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Olivier
07.07.9 00:00
 
totally agree with above post. Their methodologies is the good old Gemini's A&D. Very fashionable in the 90"s...I always wonder how so poor consultancies (and there are many others like Cap) can still be in the business. How can they attract (good) consultants and sign contracts?
 
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