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Decide b/w Accenture & IBM BCS???

 
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#0 Decide b/w Accenture & IBM BCS???
 
WH
13.11.5 00:00
 
Hi, i am in a difficult situation to decide b/w IBM BCS and Accenture Services in UK. IBM is offering me Band6 and Accenture C2. The salary and positioning is a little better at Accenture than at IBM. However before making a final decsion I will appreciate advise from experienced ppl on board: 1) What i feel concerned abt is work Life balance, Which one is better reg this IBM or ACCENTURE? OR its the same at both places? 2) Does anyone know How much Holiday IBM offers in UK for Band6? (I think its 25 days @IBM compared to 30 Days @Accenture)??? 3) Is overtime paid at IBM-UK or can u take days off later for ur extratime? It definitely isnt the case at Accenture) 4) which one is better regarding training and Professional development IBM or Accenture? 5) How is the Accenture ATS by working culture? I have the impression that the workload at IBM will be a little less than at Accenture?? What do u think?6) Accenture-UK provide car allowence (Leasing, etc) for cosnultans??? Or is one suppose to use his own car for work travel? 7) Working as Consultant based in London How realistic is it to commute to client sides by Public transport???Many Thanks for anyone replying. WH
 
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#0 Re: Decide b/w Accenture & IBM BCS???
 
anon
13.11.5 00:00
 
What a lovely choice you have...NOT! Bottom line is both will work you pretty hard. Better salary and holiday allowance at ACN. It's also prob a better name to have on your CV. Culture at both stinks but from what I hear it again is marginally better at ACN. I'd opt for ACN, although I certainly wouldn't recommend it. Have you shopped around?
 
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John P
14.11.5 00:00
 
WH, congrats on the offer. Is it possible for you to share the salary offered by each firm for this grade?
 
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#0 Re: Re: Decide b/w Accenture & IBM BCS???
 
WH
14.11.5 00:00
 
I am REALLY sorry that i cant answer that. (since i bleive that would against confidentiality agreement) But if you have any other question regarding the Application and Slection procedure, i will try to help.WH
 
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#0 Re: Re: Re: Decide b/w Accenture & IBM BCS???
 
ACN Snr Mgr
14.11.5 00:00
 
WH, Sharing such information is one of the benefits of this board! At the end of the day, a major reason for us being consultants, is the remuneration! I can't say for sure about IBM, but for a C2 in Business Consulting at ACN you're looking around a basic of circa £43K. Bonuses are unlikely, unless you're member of a particular LOB (e.g. Basel II). WH, before joining us, try and loosen up and not be too anal about things, otherwise, you're not going to fit in to the culture!
 
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Runner Beans
14.11.5 00:00
 
Accenture will pay you slightly more than IBM, but both companies are notoriously bad employers with limited focus on training or career development. You need to ask yourself why IBM, in particular, are hemorrhaging staff to professional consulting organisations. If you are good enough to get offers from both of these guys, then you are likely to be good enough to get an offer from a GC, Atos, PA, etc. We all fish from the same pool.
 
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Analyst
14.11.5 00:00
 
The remark from the ACN Manager dismissing your valid queries as being "anal" is something that I'd be very concerned about, in terms of how that company treats their people. You've got a bit of a difficult choice there WH. I wouldn't want to work for either place.
 
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ACN Snr Mgr
14.11.5 00:00
 
Analyst, if you look more closely at the whole thread, I was refering to the request that was made from another poster to WH asking for some information about the offers extended to WH and WH not willing to share such information as being 'anal'. I still stand by that statement. The fact that WH is not willing to share the requested information which is pretty much known throughout the consulting industry is taking the 'confidential agreement' about offers extended from both firms, a bit too far. Hence, my reference to being 'anal'. It's not as if ACN or IBM are going to hunt down anyone who divulges such information. One of the purposes of this site is to allow people to exchange insider PoV's anonmonously, on matters such as salary so that people are better place to make informed decisions about their career. Analyst, I also take great offence that my comment references to how i and ACN treat our staff. In fact such a statement, if you look at it objectively, would indicate that I and I suppose ACN fosters an environment of sharing and teamwork. To pre-empt further questions with regards to how we treat out people, I've been at ACN for almost 8 years now, and yes we place high expectations on our people, but in return they receive high rewards which in my opinion are unmatched in the consulting industry (with the exceptions of the Strats houses) and we offer challenging careers with unrivalled opportunities to develop and influence blue-chip organisations from top-to-bottom. Sure we have people who are unhappy and voice such unhappiness on this forum, but then again we have in excess of 120,000 people worldwide and there are bound to be some people who are unhappy. There are unhappy people at every company. It's a fact of life! HR studies show that approximetly 25% of the total UK workforce is unhappy with their position and are actively or thinking about looking for a new position.Also it tends to be people who are unhappy who tend to voice such discord and unhappiness, which frankly is dissappointing and creates negative vibes and a false picture of ACN. Your career is what you make of it and for those people who are bright, and willing to get on with things and take control of their career, since they know what they want, at ACN you will be encouraged wholeheartedly to make it happen. A nice cushy career is not just going to land on your lap, no one deserves that or indeed is owed that. One needs to take control and make it happen. From personal experience I've seen people come and go in ACN, and those people that have a gripe and leave tend to be people who expect things to land on their laps. For every one person that leaves, there are a significant larger number that leave having throughly enjoyed their time at ACN and their experiences have ACN have allowed them to develop their career further elsewhere. Irrespective of what consulting firm you join, whether its ACN; IBM; Atos; CG et al, this will be the same principle. At the recent UK Accenture Alumni event there was a significant number of alumni, most who are very successful who came back to catch up on old friends and find out how their current colleagues are doing. Very few companies have such a strong bond with their alumni. Analyst, maybe you have a different perspective, in your time at ACN and IBM, and that you didn't get everything you expect. But I bet you, you weren;t as proactive with developing your career, and hence the sour grapes. If its sour grapes, please refrain from making such statements, since it is of no constructive benefit to anyone.
 
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#0 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Decide b/w Accenture & IBM BCS???
 
14.11.5 00:00
 
I see brevity of expression and a sense of humour aren't skills that are fostered in ACN !!!
 
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16.11.5 00:00
 
I agree. ACN would 'hunt down' people that disagreed with them in that way if they could, but they are not allowed to by law! Also ACN certainly receive more disgruntled posts here than other firms, so to then bundle themselves together with other consultancies that receive none or even some, but certainly less, is simply more ACN spin.
 
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CG MC
16.11.5 00:00
 
I basically agree with ACN Snr Mgr..myself being employed for another big player in the market ;-)The only remark I see is the "number of employees" argument, as we are both in companies with very different businesses: consulting, technology and outsourcing. The picture may be completely different comparing these business units; e.g. your core consulting business may count for "some thousands" and your outsourcing business may count towards 60-80k people???Also I would not be that harsh about people who left your organization as culture issues may be reason that someone will perform in one environment and not in another...I hope you do not believe that the ACn way is the only one the achieve results!
 
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IBMer (ex PWCC)
08.12.5 00:00
 
As an ex-PwCCer, now at IBM, I also question which firm is best to work for. Frankly, I can't really see the point of trying to compare ACN and IBM, because they are different animals. It depends on what YOU want to achieve.Both companies have pros and cons, and I doubt there are many differences in reality between competitors, in terms of the work / roles available. Yes, money may be a bit less at IBM, and yes, many ex-PwCCers left after IBM gobbled us up, but really the differences are driven not so much by benefits but by the work we do. This is a different world from 3 years ago. Cost reduction has been the focus recently, and a lot of us have been placed on public sector jobs - but that is where the money is. Next year mergers & ac. As an employee, opportunities following the money, so don't expect to leave one firm and find life very different in another. Look at it this way ... IBM have unrivalled research into technology ... billions of dollars invested, that far exceed the amounts spent by any other comparable firm (as far as I know). IBM can make solutions and also sell/ deliver those solutions, whereas other consultancies have less scope to drive new opportunities & innovation. Question is, do you decide to jump or wait and see? My decision was wait and see, but it will take a few years still to find out who was right. Many PwCC people left because the benefits changed when they joined IBM, but actually even if things were the same I bet a large number of people would have left anyway, just because they didn't want to join big blue. Swings and roundabouts ...
 
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