Analyst, if you look more closely at the whole thread, I was refering to the request that was made from another poster to WH asking for some information about the offers extended to WH and WH not willing to share such information as being 'anal'. I still stand by that statement. The fact that WH is not willing to share the requested information which is pretty much known throughout the consulting industry is taking the 'confidential agreement' about offers extended from both firms, a bit too far. Hence, my reference to being 'anal'. It's not as if ACN or IBM are going to hunt down anyone who divulges such information. One of the purposes of this site is to allow people to exchange insider PoV's anonmonously, on matters such as salary so that people are better place to make informed decisions about their career. Analyst, I also take great offence that my comment references to how i and ACN treat our staff. In fact such a statement, if you look at it objectively, would indicate that I and I suppose ACN fosters an environment of sharing and teamwork. To pre-empt further questions with regards to how we treat out people, I've been at ACN for almost 8 years now, and yes we place high expectations on our people, but in return they receive high rewards which in my opinion are unmatched in the consulting industry (with the exceptions of the Strats houses) and we offer challenging careers with unrivalled opportunities to develop and influence blue-chip organisations from top-to-bottom. Sure we have people who are unhappy and voice such unhappiness on this forum, but then again we have in excess of 120,000 people worldwide and there are bound to be some people who are unhappy. There are unhappy people at every company. It's a fact of life! HR studies show that approximetly 25% of the total UK workforce is unhappy with their position and are actively or thinking about looking for a new position.Also it tends to be people who are unhappy who tend to voice such discord and unhappiness, which frankly is dissappointing and creates negative vibes and a false picture of ACN. Your career is what you make of it and for those people who are bright, and willing to get on with things and take control of their career, since they know what they want, at ACN you will be encouraged wholeheartedly to make it happen. A nice cushy career is not just going to land on your lap, no one deserves that or indeed is owed that. One needs to take control and make it happen. From personal experience I've seen people come and go in ACN, and those people that have a gripe and leave tend to be people who expect things to land on their laps. For every one person that leaves, there are a significant larger number that leave having throughly enjoyed their time at ACN and their experiences have ACN have allowed them to develop their career further elsewhere. Irrespective of what consulting firm you join, whether its ACN; IBM; Atos; CG et al, this will be the same principle. At the recent UK Accenture Alumni event there was a significant number of alumni, most who are very successful who came back to catch up on old friends and find out how their current colleagues are doing. Very few companies have such a strong bond with their alumni. Analyst, maybe you have a different perspective, in your time at ACN and IBM, and that you didn't get everything you expect. But I bet you, you weren;t as proactive with developing your career, and hence the sour grapes. If its sour grapes, please refrain from making such statements, since it is of no constructive benefit to anyone.